Projected Cost Outlay to get an app going?

Jaymer

Could some of you who have been down this road help me get a grip on a total cost required to get an AwareIM app going.

I have a need to do a multi-tenant configurator and point-of-sale app. So it will also need the additional MSSQL licensing (I would imagine). Probably hosted on Amazon.

I might have 100 concurrent users in the app placing orders and doing maintenance.
A tenant manager needs to setup admins. New users sign up under tenant. Needs to support mobile.
New users place orders for products. Accept CC payments. Confirmations via email/texting.
Admins run reports/POs for manufacturing. Consumers check order status.
Manufacturer may update PO status when complete.
Product completion notifications to consumers. Shipping info email/text.

Aside from development, I just need to figure out how much its going to cost to initially buy licenses and operate monthly.

thx
jaymer...

customaware

Hi Jaymer,

Good to see you back. You have been a bit quite.

This is a little bit like "how long is a piece of string" but I will provide as much info as I can about my experiences, as limited as they are.

Licenses:

I run a full Developer License on my laptop (Initial outlay 1,600 USD and then 800 per annum maintenance after the first year)

For Servers that are my own, I run a full developer on those also. Same costing as above.
For Servers that are set up specifically for a Client app i I use this pricing http://www.awareim.com/pricing-for-corporate/ and if they want to stay current in respect of versions then they pay annual maintenance.

If you are doing it all just for your business, then a cheaper way is to just have a Full Developer license on your AWS EC2 server and RDP into it to do all development. That way you can limit the cost to Initial outlay 1,600 USD and then 800 per annum maintenance after the first year.

Also, there is secondary Developer license available which I understand is only single user for 300 USD. From what I understand, this is a pain in so much as you have to log out after every Testing Mode session otherwise you need to completely restart the Aware IM Server. I cannot be bothered messing around with it.

As far as AWS stuff goes.....

This will depend on the size of Instance and if you have the DB on the EC2 instance or separately on RDS.

Either way it is not that expensive.

Here is what I do.

I have a mix of MS-SQL and MySQL.

MySQL I usually run on RDS. Automated backups and allows you to keep the EC2 SSD size small. Usually get away with a 60GB SSD

If I need to use MS-SQL (To expensive for me to use on RDS) I host it (only ever use Express - Have an app that has been running for over 3 years for between 300-1000 users where many generated docs are actually in the DB and so far size is still only 661 MB!) - in this type of arrangement I have a 100GB SSD

I run a combination of Micro, Small and Medium Instances depending on Intensity, Region and speed.

I run all of my domains on AWS Route 53

I made a mistake of creating 2 separate accounts back when I started. It is not necessary. You can have 1 account and locate your Instances in any region that best suits you.

As far as cost goes......

Two accounts.
6 EC2 Instances (1 in Australia (MSSQL on EC2), 2 in Singapore (MSSQL on EC2), 2 in Frankfurt (both MySQL on RDS), 1 in Oregon (MySQL on RDS) - I will be moving this in next couple of days)
10 Domains

All of mine (both accounts together) fluctuates closely around 200 USD per month or about 100 USD per month per account.

Obviously, the more power you want, the more space you want etc etc the more you will pay.

My recommendation is.....

Start small with one account and the Trial Aware IM License on the server.
Only use FULL MSSQL on RDS if there is some blinding need to have to do so.
Else either MySQL on RDS or MSSQL Express on EC2. (for backups on EC2 I use Cloudberry Backup which is very reliable, lets you back up the AWS S3 and does all the work connecting to MSSQL Express)

Crank it up and try it out. It is not hard to set up and not hard to scale up.

Start with t2.Micro

Let me know if you need a hand.

4xjbh

This is great info.

I am curious as to why you pay for a developer licence per server @ $1600+- when a server licence is about $1100.

customaware

Hi James,

My understanding is that the Aware IM Professional License (1,099) is for a situation where your client is hosting the app.

I could be wrong here.

In my case I want to have the option of developing and deploying multiple apps on my server.

BenHayat

eagles9999 wrote
Hi James,

My understanding is that the Aware IM Professional License (1,099) is for a situation where your client is hosting the app.

I could be wrong here.

In my case I want to have the option of developing and deploying multiple apps on my server.

You're correct Mark. $1,099 is just a runtime cost. The IDE is basically another $501.

customaware

Meant to add Jaymer......

If you are setting up a SaaS app.....

We have a product called SaaSBase which is a full SaaS Application Framework.

Read here....https://awareimdevelopers.com/marketplace/product/saasbase.html

It will save you an enormous amount of time and heartache and will provide you will all the foundation you need to build as many SaaS apps as you want on top of it.

We now have a follow up version which you would use when you have Employees involved as it separates an Employee User from RegularUser.
Also includes everything you need (apart from a Stripe Key) to carry out online credit card payments using Stripe.

We use this as the basis for EVERY new app we start.

4xjbh

My question to Vladimir in a recent email:

As a developer, if sometime in the future I need to spin up a second server for my saas application what is the cost for the additional server licence?

Response:
The cost of the additional server is $1099

Also see supports response in SaaS elastic scaling? In this forum... SaaS elastic scaling? (comment)&hilit=Re%3A+SaaS+elastic+scaling%3F#p40433

aware_support

$1099 is the cost if you just want to run the application on the server.

$1599 is if you also want to develop on that server.

Jaymer

Aren't there additional fees for sql server usage ?
(Fees paid to awaresoft)

Mark, so you're saying MSSQL Express has no license fees?

And BruceL,
You are so used to using MSSQL backend and taking advantage of stored procedures, can you imagine running a large SAAS app without that benefit?
Can you do everything you need in MSSQL Express?

Jaymer...

customaware

No extra cost if you host MS-SQL on your EC2 instance.

Only becomes expensive if you run it under RDS

BenHayat

eagles9999 wrote
No extra cost if you host MS-SQL on your EC2 instance.

Only becomes expensive if you run it under RDS

Mark, don't we have to pay AwareSoft SQL driver fee (http://www.awareim.com/product-options/) regardless of which MSSQL we're using? I think Jaymer was asking AwareSoft's fee for SQL (I Think).

aware_support

If you use SQL Server Express you don't pay any extra to Awaresoft. For other versions you pay $1000 to enable SQL Server support for your license. The driver for SQL Server has nothing to do with the issue.

customaware

Yes... sorry for not clarifying.

I use Express.