SOAP-based web services survey
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Dear Aware IM users.
we are getting closer to the release of a new version 8.6. Among other things this version will support Big Sur - the latest Mac OS. (Version 8.5 is not compatible with Big Sur). This required us to update Aware IM to Java 12 on Windows and Linux and to Java 15 on Mac OS. Unfortunately, support for SOAP based web services in the new Java is very different from the old one and updating them is a very big job.
Long story short - we are planning to release 8.6 without support for SOAP-based web services (both exposing and consuming them). We will probably add this support in subsequent releases.
The question we have to the community is how many of you are using SOAP based web services - again both exposing and consumption?
Note that it will still be possible to consume web services using a plugin - this is a relatively straightforward job.
PLEASE NOTE - this DOES NOT apply to REST-ful web services - support for them will remain unchanged.
we are getting closer to the release of a new version 8.6. Among other things this version will support Big Sur - the latest Mac OS. (Version 8.5 is not compatible with Big Sur). This required us to update Aware IM to Java 12 on Windows and Linux and to Java 15 on Mac OS. Unfortunately, support for SOAP based web services in the new Java is very different from the old one and updating them is a very big job.
Long story short - we are planning to release 8.6 without support for SOAP-based web services (both exposing and consuming them). We will probably add this support in subsequent releases.
The question we have to the community is how many of you are using SOAP based web services - again both exposing and consumption?
Note that it will still be possible to consume web services using a plugin - this is a relatively straightforward job.
PLEASE NOTE - this DOES NOT apply to REST-ful web services - support for them will remain unchanged.
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Does this mean we have to start paying Oracle for JAVA ?aware_support wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:55 am This required us to update Aware IM to Java 12 on Windows and Linux and to Java 15 on Mac OS.
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Maybe this isn't an issue.aware_support wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:55 amwe are planning to release 8.6 without support for SOAP-based web services (both exposing and consuming them)
It depends on what new features are coming with 8.6
Do you have a list?
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8.6 list will be in a separate thread at some point.
Paying Oracle for Java - as we understand their licensing policy developers do not have to pay - only the end users. So, yes, they may need to purchase a subscription (which is not expensive as far as I understand).
Paying Oracle for Java - as we understand their licensing policy developers do not have to pay - only the end users. So, yes, they may need to purchase a subscription (which is not expensive as far as I understand).
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Is there a reason to use Oracle JDK instead of Open JDK?aware_support wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:03 am Paying Oracle for Java - as we understand their licensing policy developers do not have to pay - only the end users. So, yes, they may need to purchase a subscription (which is not expensive as far as I understand).
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Open JDK is licensed under GPL, which is not suitable for Aware IM - it is not open source.
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Long story short - we are planning to release 8.6 without support for SOAP-based web services (both exposing and consuming them). We will probably add this support in subsequent releases.
So for the purpose of BIG Sur , non Mac users lose SOAP ?
We use SOAP on a current 7.1 installation pending upgrade to the new Version.
Also busy with a new massive project where the spec for connecting to devices via SOAP is required, also pending upgrade to new AwareIm with latest Kendo version
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1. "not suitable" for you, as a software development company, to distribute with Aware the tool?aware_support wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:02 am Open JDK is licensed under GPL, which is not suitable for Aware IM - it is not open source.
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2. end-users have some technical reason why Open JDK will not work with Aware IM the tool?
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3. Open JDK license still does not allow an end-user (company using an Aware solution) to use free-of-charge?
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None of the above
To distribute Open JDK would require AIM to be open sourcedThe GPL series are all copyleft licenses, which means that any derivative work must be distributed under the same or equivalent license terms.
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Sure, he cant.PointsWell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:14 pm None of the above
To distribute Open JDK would require AIM to be open sourcedThe GPL series are all copyleft licenses, which means that any derivative work must be distributed under the same or equivalent license terms.
But what about US using it on our upcloud or in-house servers?
... we’re not distributing it.
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So for the purpose of BIG Sur , non Mac users lose SOAP ?
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But what about US using it on our upcloud or in-house servers?
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IANA(P)L butaware_support wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:44 pmAs we understand GPL if you use GPL-based products all the software that you are using must be open source, so you would need the source code for Aware IM to be published.Code: Select all
But what about US using it on our upcloud or in-house servers?
It seems to depend on whether you modify OpenJDK and create a new Work (ie piece of software) from that OpenJDK. If the JDK is swappable entirely i.e. you could install AIM run it with Oracle JDK then shut it down and swap out OpenJDK with no modification to the JDK then you can distribute as long as you provide the source code to the JDK or a link to the source code
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What is the issue you're seeing with Big Sur? I run it on my laptop and as far as I can tell 8.5 is running fine. Happy to investigate what's different about what I'm doing.